I touched on this earlier in the month regarding the fact that 83% of the new housing that England “needs” would be for the increase in population due to immigration.
Now the BBC tells us that “About 600,000 people have come to work in the UK from eight nations which joined the European Union in 2004, says Home Office minister Tony McNulty.”
The figures show those 427,000 migrant workers who successfully registered to work brought with them 36,000 dependents - spouses and children. Some 27,000 child benefit applications were approved
The government predicted there would be 15,000 people a year from the new EU member countries moving to the UK for work.The question that strikes me is how can these people just seem to turn up and get benefits? 36,000 dependants….27, 000 child benefit applications approved, I presume that the other 9 thousand are mothers – all with 3 children each? Am I wrong to assume that? Now these immigrants will have zero or very little NI payments…I paid my NI every month when I was working abroad, I even made a mistake and paid DOUBLE NI for several years but when I returned to the UK in 1996 I was told that I couldn’t receive ANY benefit AT ALL for at least 6 months and even then it would depend on what savings I had. So turn up as a foreigner and collect straight away…pay your dues for years on end (without using any service because you live abroad) and you get zilch???
Now the government claims it’s good for the nation, they all pay their way etc…seems not: here are all the calculations… and their apparent results. However:
ConclusionSir Andrew Green, chairman of Migration Watch UK, said the case for restrictions for Romanians and Bulgarians was now "unanswerable".
51. The Government has repeatedly claimed, in support of their policy of encouraging large-scale immigration, that migrants make a positive fiscal contribution of £2.5 billion a year. This report shows that central claim to be false.
Former Labour minister Frank Field the number of migrants was unmanageable and made it increasingly difficult for local people to get jobs.
MIGRATION SINCE 2004
Accession countries: 427,000
(About 600,000 including self-employed)
Dependants: 36,000
Non-EU settlement: 318,330
Granted asylum: 123,000
Non-EU work permits: 261,235, plus 87,000 dependants
Total: 1,425,565
Source: Home Office
AGE OF REGISTERED WORKERS: 92% between the ages of 18 and 44.
(Source: Accession monitoring report May 2004 - June 2006)
Alarming, no? …more from the BBC HERE, and these figures does not even include people from the existing EU countries (Ireland, France, Germany etc…) who may have moved to live in the UK over those two years. And…there’s more, by definition it does not include illegal immigrants.
Now, having said all that this does not mean that the UK's population will have increased by this amount since May 2004 as there have also been people leaving the UK…how many…err…well there’s 119,000 British people moved abroad in 2004, according to the latest available figures…and …err…there are no figures given for the numbers of people given the right to work in the UK who have since left…but I think we all know that it’s not enough! All the figures have been reported in all the media, this isn't just a 'right-wing' press scare story. Here's the reports from The Guardian and The Independent.
The government must stand its ground. EU enlargement is good for the EU and good for Britain - both in economic and political terms. Intra-EU migration is vital for the efficient use of EU labour. It is also a fundamental right of EU membership.
This last from the Financial Times…but I just do not understand how they can keep claiming that it’s good. Looking at the graph below all of those jobs will be on or near minimum wage; if all those thousands of employers know that the minimum wage is MUCH more than those workers would get in their native countries they know the workers will not leave or worry about earning much more, thereby maintaining wages at a false low and intentionally or not discouraging ‘home grown’ workers who know damn well they cannot afford to live on the minimum wage.
For all the details read the Home Office report published 22 August 2006 [link] (PDF)
Spot on, Span, I remember people screaming "racist" at William Hague as well.
YanıtlaSilI'm not worried. I don't remember but I would imagine that people were making the same sort of observations and worse in the 60's and we got through it because actually the rate of such immigration never remains constant or at such a high level. Historically there have always been massive peaks only for things to settle down again.
YanıtlaSilIf the jobs were not here and easily available people wouldn't come. I accept that there are worries about wages perhaps being kept low because of the ease of which workers can be found but you know I am not entirely convinced by that argmument. Things tend to even out over the long term and lets be grateful we have a minimum wage (many were against it because it meant that jobs would be lost - funny that, it disn't happen) or these jobs would be paying out £2 an hour.
Span, these latest figures show the largest number of immigrants to enter in one year since 1962, hence my reference to the 60's. Surely a far more noticeable thing in the 60's when the same number of people arriving now, arrived then in a much smaller overall population. And it DID even out, so tell me why it shouldn't again?
YanıtlaSilSpan, doesn't your son get his GCSE results today ? and isn't it your birthday ?
YanıtlaSil"Span, these latest figures show the largest number of immigrants to enter in one year since 1962"..??? eh? Please elaborate...I've had a bit to drink and this looks like bunkum...
YanıtlaSilCurmy, yes it is I'm 44...Jack got all B's (does that mean he's a complete thicko by today's standards? - I got the impression that he did rather well but he's not happy)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Span ! (Big Hug)you poor old man ! (I'm older than you)
YanıtlaSilI think your son's done very well, say congrats from me.
I expect you'll have a terrible hangover in the morning
Hello again curmy! and thanks...although now it's past midnight here... :-( ...and I hope I'm not being too grumpy with Mags.
YanıtlaSilAs you may have guessed I'm all on my lonesome here but have spoken with all the kiddiewinks and my ex and my mother and my sister this evening (bro's out)...they sang happy birthday and the "dear daddy/david was interspersed with fatty...grrrrr :-)
...and I've been promised a cake and dinner (made by the 2 youngest) when I return (next month)
P.S. Despite lack of typos I have now hit the rum...maybe the secret of good typing is to have a certain amount of alcohol in the bloodstream.
Happy Birthday Span - don't worry about being too grumpy with Mags - She's a tough 'un and wouldn't worry about being too grumpy with you!
YanıtlaSilUnpalatable as it may be to some you do raise some relevant points.
Sorry you're by yourself, Span, I thought you'd be out with your Spanish friends.
YanıtlaSilHave a lovely time when you go home.
Span, it isn't your birthday there but it is here. However because you're being a grumpy sod and failing to grasp simple english I have a conundrum. Oh sod it, Happy birthday old man.
YanıtlaSilLast time there such a large increase in the UK population in a very short time was 1962, the year of your birth and possibly the reason why you are having trouble with this because you do not wish to acknowledge your own contribution to the population explosion of 1962! Now granted some of the population rise was down to the tail end of the baby boomers, you included, however much of the population increase came from their being a larger than usual increase in immigrants that year.
Comprendez?
One should also remember that the 60's proved to be contentious due to the likes of Powell and his ilk raising similar sort of concerns ( and as I said, worse) back in the 60's. Just like then, we will not in the long term be swamped. Many of those that have arrived from Eastern Europe are here for the short term, a couple of years at most. Bit like all those Ozzies I used to work with in London. Some stayed 12 months, others 5 years. Most had a right to a UK passport by virtue of a British born Grandparent BUT they all went home eventually. So will the eastern Europeans. That's why I am not worried and refuse to be whipped up into an unnecessary frenzy over something that will in time resolve itself.
BTW, I find all of this concern about immigration and the UK deliciously ironic considering you are an emigrant!
Mags - I'm at a loss as to how you can compare 1962 with 2006!
YanıtlaSilA taxi firm in Plymouth is actually hiring drivers from Prague because it can't find drivers for Friday, Saturday or Sunday nights. Apparently the drivers make so much money Monday-Thursday down in ambrosia country that they won't work weekends.
YanıtlaSilThe same is happening in Inverness. Libby Purves in the Times said it was a victory for the Czechs and another example of how we are actually failing in this country.
Span,
YanıtlaSilOn another (but related) subject - why are postings to Iain Dale's site premodded? (It's rhetorical really I don't expect the answer) - don't the right wing believe in free speech any more than the left?
Span,
YanıtlaSilHe's posted it - I didn't really think he was on some Stalinst crusade against loony left wing Hammers fans!
I pre-mod too -- it's all to do with the amount of spam I get otherwise!
YanıtlaSil